Full 1080p with black bars

[cribber]

On version 1.2.0.18, if I convert a 1920x800 clip to 1920x1080 it renders it without black bars but the media info says it's still 1920x1080. On version 1.2.0.10 if I do the same thing it adds the black bars to the clip to make it 1920x1080. Can you correct this and KEEP the black bars please if the resolution is longer.

To clarify, if I want to convert a 1920x800 clip to 1920x1080 and keep the aspect ratio, it should add black bars like v1.2.0.10. Thanks.

Also, could you add an option to zoom the image and keep the aspect ratio so you can select how big the black bars are.

[cedric]

Hello cribber,

Can you post your log file where your conversion details appear?

Thank you.

[cribber]

So after being away for a while I checked the latest version 1.3.0.3 and it still doesn't work! I can't believe you don't check your own program even after I told you about it a long time ago.

If I create a custom MKV profile and set it to 1920x1080 (the aspect ratio options are always greyed out).
I load a movie file with a resolution of 1920x800 and go to the Advanced Edit, the black bars in the preview are grey and I can't alter it. If I go to the 'Fit Method' drop down window (Automatic, Stretch, Letterbox etc.) nothing I choose changes it.

Please check your program and fix the problem please. (I hope I don't sound rude, I just can't believe you haven't checked it).

v1.2.0.10 Works Correctly.

Thanks.

[Copnm]

Hello cribber,

Cedric is/has been asking for your conversion log to further help your situation. Please provide him that. A log from the latest beta and a log from the latest version that worked for you would help him a lot to figure out what changed.

Thanks for reading,
Neil M

[cribber]

Is there any chance you can give some indication that you've acknowledged this post since my last post with logs. I see you have submitted a new version but no mention that this has been fixed yet. My logs have been downloaded 3 times but I don't know if that was you or just random people being nosey. This converter seems to have a lot of new bugs every version yet I can't notice much difference from older versions so I will have to stick with v1.2.0.10. Thanks.

[Copnm]

Hello cribber,

I assure you that I am no troll. I'm just here to help both sides, you (the customer) and VSO (in this case, Cedric), clarify issues with you (the customer) following a few steps to eliminate most common problems. The ultimate goal is to find out where the problem(s) may lay, and in order to do so, you )the customer) have to eliminate as many possibilities as possible.

Thanks for reading,
Neil M

[cedric]

Aspect ratio picker will be enabled now for all profiles in custom profile editor:
http://bugs.vso-software.fr/view.php?id=8086

I added "Fit on destination" choice in aspect ratio picker:
http://bugs.vso-software.fr/view.php?id=8085
If this choice is selected, output Pixel Aspect Ratio will use the input value (and black bars will be added if needed)

Regards,

PS: In my opinion, the fact that black bars was not added (but aspect ratio adjusted to fit input in output resolution) was not a bug.
All video players add automatically these black bars so, don't think that a video converter must add them.
Your problem is now fixed by adding "Fit on destination" item, and other users can still use previous method.

[cribber]

You seem to have missed something that I reported. If I converted a 1920x800 clip in a 1920x1080 profile, the 'advanced edit preview window' would show the clip at the original aspect but the "added" black bars are GREY and cannot be altered. If I go to the 'Fit Method' drop down window (Automatic, Stretch, Letterbox etc.) nothing I choose changes it. If you checked it yourself it might be easier to understand what i'm reporting. It didn't do this in version v1.2.0.10.

[cedric]

Grey black bars in advanced edit are only the preview background, not black bars you will have on output.
Like input DAR is the same as output DAR in your case, it's normal that fit method do not change anything.

[cribber]

In v1.2.0.10 the bars are black in the preview and I can alter the size of them with the 'Fit Method' dropdown.

This is what i'm trying to say. v1.2.0.10, If I selected a resolution higher than the clip resolution it pads it with black bars to keep the aspect ratio. Latest version doesn't.

[cedric]

I think YOU missed something sorry...
In last versions, we changed black bars gesture (after a lot of users requests).
If the user request a resolution of 1920x1080 (16/9) in custom profile with an input file of 1920x800, the entire video area video will be fitted in 1920x1080 but a PAR is applied on output to keep original DAR.

I don't really understand your REAL problem.
Your goal is to get a converted file of 1920x1080 and keeping original aspect ratio and that's Video Converter do?
When you play the converted file (1920x1080), is the original aspect ratio is kept?
Why do you want to encode these useless black bars?

In brief, you will be able to encode black bars in next version so, always is happy now?

Regards,

[cribber]

If you convert a clip 1920x800 to 1920x1080 you loose some of the picture from the left and right because it's been zoomed to fit (keeping Aspect Ratio). You can do that anyway with the 'Fit Method' option in v1.2.0.10, that's the point of it, to Fit the selected resolution. Why have people requested something that you could do anyway in v1.2.0.10 ? (Fit Method, Pan Scan).

Why don't you keep it the same as v1.2.0.10 ? If people wan't to zoom there clips to fit the full 1080p then choose the fit method Pan & Scan.

[cedric]

"If you convert a clip 1920x800 to 1920x1080 you loose some of the picture from the left and right because it's been zoomed to fit"
-> Sorry but that's not true!

For example, in DVD Video PAL output, video resolution is ALWAYS 720x576.
That mean if you select 4/3 OR 16/9 aspect ratio for output, output video resolution will be always 720 columns and 576 lines.
Like you can see, 720/576 do not give 1.33 or 1.77 but 1.25.
Despite that, the input video is not cropped/padded and entire input video area is kept on output
The original video area is "stretched" to 720x576 resolution, BUT a Pixel Aspect Ratio value is set and video player will use it to display the video properly.

Please take a look there to know more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel_aspect_ratio

Regards,

[cribber]

Yeah but now you're going off topic. I'm not talking about DVD (people should use your ConvertXtoDVD for that). 720x576 is always going to be 4:3. When watched on widescreen it stretches it to 16:9 etc. like you said, but i'm not converting a 1080p clip to go on a DVD. I'd just like to have an option to do things like other video converters and not be limited on what people have requested to be taked out. I'll wait to try your new version or stick with your older version that gives me the option. Thanks.

[cedric]

"Yeah but now you're going off topic"
For sure no...

Like you don't seem to understand what I'm explaining with my example, I do the same with YOUR case...

Input file: 1920x800 (DAR: 2.4)
Output profile: video resolution : 1920x1080

What video converter produce in your case:
A video stream with REAL 1920x1080 resolution (1920 columns and 1080 lines) containing all input video area content (no picture lost)
BUT a PAR <> 1 (anamorphic video) -> the video player display a final visible video of 1920x800.

This is my last try to explain you what is Pixel Aspect Ratio (and I think I been really patient...)

Regards,

[cribber]

OK

[Copnm]

Hello cribber,

What Cedric is trying to say is basically, you trying trying to convert 1920x800 to 1920x1080 will be the same exact resolution as before. The only difference is that it will now say 1920x1080, and players will add "black bars" to compensate for the height. Since the width of the original, 1920, and the width of the converted file, 1920, are the same, the resolution will not change in order to maintain its aspect ratio. IF the converter were to add height to video, it would no longer be the same aspect ratio and will look distorted. Most modern movies are not encoded in 1920x1080, but like yours, around 1920x800. It is still considered 1080p because of its width, 1920, which is the width the 1080p resolution uses.

Does this make it clearer for you?

Thanks for reading,
Neil M